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Opposing World Views

It was played over the top and cartoony . . . 

We all develop outlooks and philosophies that guide us through life, explaining how the world is supposed to work. This can feed into how we interact with a game world in an RPG, even when we’re playing characters vastly different from ourselves. So what happens when we run into a scenario where the GM and the player are on completely different pages about how the world works?

 Especially when those opposing world views create a disconnect in what the player is trying to achieve and what the GM thinks should happen.
I imagine you’re looking at me with a quizzical look thinking, “Well, the GM is defining the world, so suck it up, Ang.” It’s not always that easy, though. Especially when those opposing world views create a disconnect in what the player is trying to achieve and what the GM thinks should happen.

To clarify a little further, let me give you this example. A friend recently ran a one shot that was essentially Survivor in Hell. The premise of the game was that Satan plucked the PCs from Purgatory to offer them a chance to win their soul back. It was a fun game and concept, but I had to keep taking a step back from my personal outlook and beliefs on the nature of heaven and hell. Otherwise, I would have ended up spending the entire game arguing against the very precepts the game was built on.

Of the twelve PCs available to be played, pretty much all of them had been tricked into selling their souls: a phone number and name exchanged on a cocktail napkin, an NDA for an experimental medical procedure, a receipt for a case of beer, a EULA for a dating website, etc. On top of that, most of the PCs didn’t actually get to experience the benefit of the sale of their soul either. There was some other Devilish trickery throughout the contest, but I won’t go into that because it’s a game that might get run again and I don’t want to spoil it for anyone.

Either way, my personal beliefs pretty much reject the concept of Heaven and Hell. I’m not particularly religious, but the idea of absolutes like that always rubbed me the wrong way. That’s not how the world works, so why would the ‘end’ be so cut and dry? If I had designed the scenario, there probably would have been a little more give in the absolute nature of Satan’s deal with each contestant. I wasn’t running the game, though, so I had to work within the constraints the GM put forth, even if it went against how I think the world should work.

Not every disconnect between a GM and player worldview is going to be quite so religiously philosophical. Sometimes it’s just a matter of the player thinking, “This should totally work and solve the problem,” and the GM deciding that it doesn’t stand a chance of working.

Recently, I had the chance to try my hand at running a Tales from the Loop one-shot. For those who haven’t seen it, Tales is a game of playing kids in the ‘80’s that never were’. The game aims for a very specific feel, so they provide a very clear set of principles for running and playing the game. I made sure to clearly state these for my players at the beginning of the game:

  1. It’s worth a read . . . and it’s really pretty.

    Your home town is full of strange and fantastic things.

  2. Everyday life is dull and unforgiving.
  3. Adults are out of reach and out of touch.
  4. The land of the Loop is dangerous but Kids will not die.
  5. The game is played scene by scene.
  6. The world is described collaboratively.

Take special note of number three. One of the players either forgot this or didn’t take it to heart. As the kids discovered who was behind the bad things that were happening, his solution to make the problem go away was to call his mom, a scientist at the Loop, and have her tell security. This player happened to be a fairly dominant player, so his declaration that this would solve the problem made the other players back down on doing anything else.

Knowing this wasn’t how the game worked, I mentioned the principles again to remind them of how the game world is supposed to work. Using real-world logic instead of game logic, he continued to argue that his solution would work regardless of what I was saying. Eventually this devolved into a minor argument where I finally had to bluntly state, “Your solution will not work because of the nature of the game and if you kids do not act further on this information, <NPCs in the game> will end up dead.”

Now, many GMs would have probably just gone ahead with the player’s plan and let them discover the error of their ways the hard way, letting the NPCs die from the players’ inaction. Part of me wonders if I should have done that, but one of the other players was already emotionally invested in one of those NPCs and other aspects of the game, so the death of those characters could have crossed an emotional line she wasn’t prepared for. While it was in keeping with what the dominant player was demanding, I wasn’t willing to potentially hurt another player simply to teach him a lesson in the way the game’s world is supposed to work.

So, what do you do when there’s a disconnect between what the player and GM think should happen?

For the player, remember that the GM is the final arbiter of what happens in the game. It can be really frustrating when what you’re expecting to happen is veering off in a direction you don’t think is reasonable, but the GM is doing a lot of the heavy lifting in this game. You can definitely try and explain what you were expecting to happen, but don’t let it devolve into an argument that’s going to derail the game. Sometimes it’s necessary to take a deep breath and take a step back from your own point of view. Relax and try and enjoy the rest of the game. Ultimately, if the disconnect is too great, find a different GM to game with. Or, take a turn running a game yourself so you can see how it works from their perspective.

For the GM, having a player on a completely different page from you can be really frustrating, but that is part of the job of being a GM. When you come face to face with one of these disconnects and a player is obviously expecting something different to happen than what you’re narrating, take a moment and try and figure out what the player expected or what they intended with their action. Some players will take elaborate effort to describe an action and be confused when the result is obviously not what they wanted. Taking the time to parse what they intend can help bridge this gap.

These types of little disconnects happen all the time in tiny ways, but we gamers navigate through them easily. When they’re big, though, it can take a little bit of communication and compromise to keep the game moving forward.

Have you ever run into a clash of world views in one of your games? I’d be interested to hear how it worked out.

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4 Comments To "Opposing World Views"

#1 Comment By Lugh On December 7, 2017 @ 8:21 am

Hmm. As GM at this point I would have role-played out that the mom/scientist simply doesn’t believe the kid. A lot of “don’t be ridiculous, sweetie” and “I don’t have time for your stories right now”, just like you see in the movies. In other words, show, don’t tell.

That said, your larger point is certainly valid. I run into it frequently in two major ways. First, in trying to negotiate whether we are playing with a realistic physics engine, or a cinematic one. E.g., is it possible to blow up a car by shooting it with a pistol? For some people, the fact that Mythbusters busted it makes it impossible, and allowing it throws them out of the story. For others, the rule of cool is more important. And even in a cinematic setting, some of us still have things that break our suspenders.

The second thing is getting consensus on what *kind* of characters we are playing. Particularly in D&D, I keep finding players who are super cautious, and creep about constantly checking for traps. I, on the other hand, sit down at the table to play a HERO, and I want to stride boldly through, face evil, and smite it. Of course, when I try to play that kind of character in a game set up by a GM as a cross between one of the Saw movies and a fight against the Viet Cong, I die. Fast. And messy. But the other kind of game just has no joy in it for me. If your primary goal is “not dying”, stay home and be a farmer, damn it.

#2 Comment By Jon Mattison On November 5, 2018 @ 3:18 pm

This is a better answer than my first reaction:

“Okay, call your mom, who calls security, who solves it all. Evil has been defeated. You win the game. That’s all I had prepared for tonight. Thanks for playing. See you guys next week.” Mic drop…

#3 Comment By Blackjack On December 8, 2017 @ 5:30 pm

Orson Scott Card wrote a book years ago about writing scifi/fantasy stories. One of his rules was that any good story is going to have a major “gimme” in it. He may have used a term more poetic than “gimme” but either way the idea was the same: the story and/or setting has a significant element in it that drives the plot and the way things work, and it won’t be explained. A common gimme in scifi stories, for example, is that faster-than-light travel is a practical reality. As a reader you just have to accept it.

Similarly, as a player in an RPG you have to accept that the GM and/or the game use a gimme. In your stories above the gimmes were 1) you made some kind of deal with the devil and 2) help from the outside is not going to come. The extra thing about gimmes in games vs. books is that not only will they not be explained, they’re not up for debate. Players need to think about how to incorporate them into their character and their actions rather than fight against them. Fighting against them is refusal to accept the premise of the game. If you’re unwilling to accept the premise, don’t play the game.

#4 Comment By Bus Totem On December 14, 2017 @ 2:03 am

I have had a lot of issues with this, not just from the GM but also from other players.
For instance, I like the feel of Star Wars. The genre points generally agree with me.


Owing to some serious abuse, I have a very negative reaction to, well.. Most of the Jedi code, among other things. As soon as people start behaving the way the Jedi are written as acting, a lot of alarm bells go off. I can’t easily picture them as heroic at all.
So I try very hard to negotiate out basically any sort of alternative force user that will not need to track the Jedi code specifically.

This never works. I am always told that if I act in a way that doesn’t remind me of the people who abused me, that my character will be taken away from me.

Once, I managed to get a GM on board with my ideas, and made a character I was able to see as heroic. Another player proceeded to abuse me out of character until the game was scrapped for other players leaving for their mental health.

Sometimes, people have reasons for wanting to adjust the base tropes that aren’t immediately obvious. And sometimes, it isn’t the interplay between player and GM that can cause trouble